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Post by CherokeeNative on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:31 am

Seems that James has taken to spitting at the corrections officers who have to move him about the jail. There are also questions as to whether James is suffering from some form of mental illness or just faking it.

"Let's keep that in mind that he was studying neuroscience. He was studying exactly the type of brain issues that we're going to be talking about throughout this whole case," she said. "

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For someone to go into a theater and mass kill, you obviously have to have some form of mental illness going on. Question is, is it serious enough that he was not capable of knowing right from wrong? I doubt it.

I am for our 2nd amendment rights. But people should not be able to randomly purchase ammunition, combat gear or explosives over the internet. My goodness, some states require you to buy your alcohol from the Government - but you can buy this stuff on line? Doesn't make sense.

"Before a judge issued a gag order in the case, police said Holmes received more than 50 packages at the school and his home that apparently contained ammunition, combat gear and explosive materials that he used in the attack and to booby-trap his Aurora apartment."

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Post by CherokeeNative on Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:21 am

Good Morning America is reporting that James' Public defenders visited his apartment yesterday. Apparently some of the surviving victims are wishing no ill-will toward James, feeling that he is a "lost soul."

I will admit that it is hard to have the type of disgust for James, as I would for a defendant such as GZ, because obviously the man has some mental issues. But I am afraid I would not be able to be as forgiving as some of the victims appear to be. Another thing is, there is no conflict on whether or not what James did was wrong or deserves punishment - it will just be an issue as to what extent based upon what a mental workup discloses.


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Post by Tamta on Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:58 am

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Post by Tamta on Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:59 am

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Post by Tamta on Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:03 pm

CherokeeNative wrote:Good Morning America is reporting that James' Public defenders visited his apartment yesterday. Apparently some of the surviving victims are wishing no ill-will toward James, feeling that he is a "lost soul."

I will admit that it is hard to have the type of disgust for James, as I would for a defendant such as GZ, because obviously the man has some mental issues. But I am afraid I would not be able to be as forgiving as some of the victims appear to be. Another thing is, there is no conflict on whether or not what James did was wrong or deserves punishment - it will just be an issue as to what extent based upon what a mental workup discloses.

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Is this the same man?

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"Denver Rescue Mission employee Pierce O'Farrill was shot three times, in the left arm and left leg, in the attack Friday at an Aurora theater showing the new Batman movie. He was released from the hospital Wednesday.

James Eagan Holmes is accused of launching the attack that killed 12 people and injured 58.

O'Farrill told The Denver Post (http://bit.ly/NYVEBq ) that when he saw images of Holmes at his first court appearance Monday, he felt sorrow for him.

"Of course, I forgive him with all my heart. When I saw him in his hearing, I felt nothing but sorrow for him — he's just a lost soul right now," O'Farrill said. "I want to see him sometime. The first thing I want to say to him is 'I forgive you,' and the next is, 'Can I pray for you?'"



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Post by Tamta on Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:08 pm

CherokeeNative wrote:Seems that James has taken to spitting at the corrections officers who have to move him about the jail. There are also questions as to whether James is suffering from some form of mental illness or just faking it.

"Let's keep that in mind that he was studying neuroscience. He was studying exactly the type of brain issues that we're going to be talking about throughout this whole case," she said. "

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For someone to go into a theater and mass kill, you obviously have to have some form of mental illness going on. Question is, is it serious enough that he was not capable of knowing right from wrong? I doubt it.

I am for our 2nd amendment rights. But people should not be able to randomly purchase ammunition, combat gear or explosives over the internet. My goodness, some states require you to buy your alcohol from the Government - but you can buy this stuff on line? Doesn't make sense.

"Before a judge issued a gag order in the case, police said Holmes received more than 50 packages at the school and his home that apparently contained ammunition, combat gear and explosive materials that he used in the attack and to booby-trap his Aurora apartment."

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Now the spitting report is false....

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According to knowledgeable sources, reports that Holmes was spitting at guards in jail are "simply false."
Two national news organizations have reported that Holmes, who is being detained in solitary confinement, has been acting out at the Arapahoe County Jail. One national news organization also reported Tuesday night that Holmes has been put in a headgear to prevent him from spitting at guards.

However, knowledgeable sources tell CALL7 Investigator John Ferrugia that is just not true.


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I am glad the media restrictions are in place.
It is not like it is a 'who did it' situation.

The assailant is in custody.

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Post by Tamta on Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:52 pm

Aurora theater shooting: No medical bills for some victims

AURORA, Colo. (KABC) -- Three hospitals taking care of people wounded in the movie theater shooting in Aurora, Colo., say they will limit or completely wipe out medical bills for the victims.

Some of the victims are uninsured and face mounting hospital bills.

Children's Hospital Colorado said it would use donations to cover the medical expenses of the uninsured. For those who do have insurance, the hospital said it will waive all co-pays for shooting victims.

HealthOne, which owns the Medical Center of Aurora and Swedish Medical Center, also said it will limit or eliminate charges based on the individual circumstances of the patients.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:56 pm

Very good...nice to see a corp. making the right decision!


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Post by CherokeeNative on Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:39 pm

Tamta wrote:
CherokeeNative wrote:Good Morning America is reporting that James' Public defenders visited his apartment yesterday. Apparently some of the surviving victims are wishing no ill-will toward James, feeling that he is a "lost soul."

I will admit that it is hard to have the type of disgust for James, as I would for a defendant such as GZ, because obviously the man has some mental issues. But I am afraid I would not be able to be as forgiving as some of the victims appear to be. Another thing is, there is no conflict on whether or not what James did was wrong or deserves punishment - it will just be an issue as to what extent based upon what a mental workup discloses.

CN,

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Is this the same man?

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"Denver Rescue Mission employee Pierce O'Farrill was shot three times, in the left arm and left leg, in the attack Friday at an Aurora theater showing the new Batman movie. He was released from the hospital Wednesday.

James Eagan Holmes is accused of launching the attack that killed 12 people and injured 58.

O'Farrill told The Denver Post (http://bit.ly/NYVEBq ) that when he saw images of Holmes at his first court appearance Monday, he felt sorrow for him.

"Of course, I forgive him with all my heart. When I saw him in his hearing, I felt nothing but sorrow for him — he's just a lost soul right now," O'Farrill said. "I want to see him sometime. The first thing I want to say to him is 'I forgive you,' and the next is, 'Can I pray for you?'"



Tam, it sounds like the same guy - however, your link doesn't show pic, so I can't be positive.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:07 pm

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(CNN) -- Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes was a patient of a University of Colorado psychiatrist before last week's attack at a movie theater that killed 12 people and wounded scores, according to a court document filed Friday by his public-defense lawyers.

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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:27 pm

Motion filed by defense requesting discovery concerning the federal and state law enforcement agents who were were aware of or involved in the investigation of the package Holmes allegedly sent to a psychiatrist/professor at C.U., details of which were leaked to the media.

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In the motion, Holmes' defense attorneys state they want the names of law enforcement officials who examined the contents of the package and may have leaked information to the news media in violation of a gag order issued by a judge barring police, prosecutors and the defense team from releasing details of the criminal investigation.

The defense motion says the leaks are a breach of Holmes' confidential and privileged communication with his doctor and violate his constitutional rights to due process and a fair trial.
The defense asked a judge to order prosecutors to "immediately produce" all information about the seizure of the package, including any law enforcement officials "involved in the seizure or handling of the material in question in any way."

But Arapahoe County Senior Deputy District Attorney Richard Orman's written response to the defense motion said inaccuracies in the Fox News reports about the notebook indicate that whoever provided the information didn't know the facts of the case.

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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:35 pm

No Access to Holmes School Records for Media


References to some charges State will file.

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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:38 pm

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Post by Chickenbutt on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:39 pm

Hmmmm, thanks for this Tamta. I have a bot of mixed feelings about this. Given the apartment of Holmes, the governement had ever right to test the package for hazardous material and explosives, but I have to wonder, since it was addressed to a doctor, why would they read the contents knowing it was privledged info?


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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:39 pm

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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:41 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:Hmmmm, thanks for this Tamta. I have a bot of mixed feelings about this. Given the apartment of Holmes, the governement had ever right to test the package for hazardous material and explosives, but I have to wonder, since it was addressed to a doctor, why would they read the contents knowing it was privledged info?

Yes, testing warranted

and maybe reading however then comment to the media.....

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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:50 pm

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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:53 pm

Colorado movie house massacre suspect was under psychiatrist's care

The disclosure came in court documents filed on Friday by lawyers for James Holmes, 24, who is accused of opening fire last Friday on a packed showing of the latest Batman movie, "The Dark Knight Rises," in the Denver suburb of Aurora.

The defence attorneys, in their request to an Arapahoe County district judge, are seeking a court order requiring prosecutors to turn over the contents of a package that Holmes sent to Dr. Lynne Fenton and was later seized by investigators.

"Mr. Holmes was a psychiatric patient of Dr. Fenton, and his communications with her are protected," the filing said.

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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:56 pm

There were conflicting reports about whether the package reached the school in time to potentially prevent the massacre, but officials remained tight-lipped due to a strict gag order imposed by the judge overseeing the case.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:57 pm

I have a bit of an issue with "privledged info" in relation to anyone but your lawyer. But that is just me. I realize that it is okay to tell your doc and your religious advisor whatever you want and it is confidential.
But think about this (and btw, I just discussed this with hubby and he told me I was nuts).
If doctors were allowed to divulge past medical records of Holmes, the Columbine shooters, Timothy McVeigh (OK City Bombing) and other mass murderers, maybe they could find the common denominator that made them who they are and could help to identify others with the same propensities and stop them before they act. I dunno....just a thought and waaaaaay off topic...lol


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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:59 pm

Earlier this week, school officials said students were monitored by mental health specialists.

"The faculty and program leadership meet on a regular basis to discuss how the student' doing, the stars and difficult students," said the university's dean, Barry Shur.

A package sent by Holmes to Dr. Fenton was recovered by police in the school mailroom on Monday. Sources say the package contained a letter written by Holmes that described shooting people. It's unclear when Holmes sent the package.

Holmes' lawyers say the discovery of the letter should never have been made public because it contained "...communications from Mr. Holmes to Dr. Fenton that Mr. Holmes asserts are privileged."

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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:04 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:I have a bit of an issue with "privledged info" in relation to anyone but your lawyer. But that is just me. I realize that it is okay to tell your doc and your religious advisor whatever you want and it is confidential.
But think about this (and btw, I just discussed this with hubby and he told me I was nuts).
If doctors were allowed to divulge past medical records of Holmes, the Columbine shooters, Timothy McVeigh (OK City Bombing) and other mass murderers, maybe they could find the common denominator that made them who they are and could help to identify others with the same propensities and stop them before they act. I dunno....just a thought and waaaaaay off topic...lol

This is an interesting topic and I am going to get back to you on this post after kiddos are to bed! 8)

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Post by Tamta on Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:17 pm

Holmes charged with 142 Counts

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James Holmes faces 142 counts, including 24 of first-degree murder


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The 24 counts of murder and 116 counts of attempted murder represent two counts for each of the slain and wounded victims in the shooting because prosecutors charged Holmes under two, separate theories of first-degree murder. One is murder after deliberation and the other is murder with extreme indifference.

Denver attorney Daniel Recht said the different counts are an advantage to prosecutors because, if a jury were to acquit Holmes under one theory, Holmes still might be convicted under the second theory. Extreme indifference, Recht wrote in an e-mail, is "arguably a much easier mental state for the prosecution to prove."


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James Holmes charged with murder in Colorado theater shooting

The trial could turn on questions of Holmes' state of mind, according to The Associated Press.

"I don't think it's too hard to predict the path of this proceeding," said Craig Silverman, a former chief deputy district attorney in Denver told the AP. "This is not a whodunit. ... The only possible defense is insanity."

Colorado prosecutors charged James Holmes with 24 counts of murder and 116 counts of attempted murder, in the shooting rampage at the midnight showing of the new Batman movie. NBC's Leanne Gregg reports.

According to the law in Colorado, defendants are not legally liable for their acts if they cannot differentiate between right and wrong, the report said. However, "Care should be taken not to confuse such mental disease or defect with moral obliquity, mental depravity, or passion growing out of anger, revenge, hatred or other motives, and kindred evil conditions," the law stipulates, the AP said.

The court schedule suggests that Holmes will not file a plea in case until at least the week of Nov. 12, NBC's Mike Taibbi reported. The schedule allows for deliberation on how much evidence will remain sealed from public view, including communications between Holmes and a psychiatrist at the University of Colorado.


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