Jodi Arias #4

Sea Ray wrote:

Chickenbutt wrote:Sea, if they find her guilty of 1st degree then it will matter. For the death penalty, iirc, they have to show the killing was heinous and cruel. The order of the wounds will be important then to show that the stabbings came first and caused Travis pain and terror and the killing shot came after he suffered to the extreme.

If I'm a juror, it doesn't matter to me if Jodi did it the way she wants us to believe. Isn't it heinous and cruel to have a guy wonder around the house spitting up blood with a bullet in his head while he gets stabbed 26-30 times? That qualifies in my book

Sea Ray wrote:

gpw wrote:I just can't see choosing the knife over the gun if you are trying kill someone and leave with as little evidence as possible behind...just can't see it.

It was a passion killing. Leaving as little evidence as possible wasn't her primary motive. In fact on that basis, she failed bigtime. She should have taken the camera with her

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I just think it`s absolutely fascinating. Beth Karas, tell us what happens if she is found guilty of murder one. Immediately, that triggers the next phase is my understanding -- the penalty phase.

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Yes, but the penalty phase here in Arizona is actually split into two. So the jury will actually deliberate two more times. The first part is called the aggravation phase -- there may be a little evidence, maybe just the arguments. But the jury will decide if the one aggravating factor charged has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

And that aggravator is cruelty. And it`s a defined term -- it`s physical and mental anguish in the length of time it took him to die and did he know he was dying. And I`m sure the prosecutor will say as he stood at the sink getting stabbed in the back and in his head before his throat was slashed, he knew he was dying.

And then if the jury says yes, that is proven beyond a reasonable doubt then the next phase, which is called the penalty phase -- it`s mitigation -- will begin. And the defense will put on other evidence of mitigation. And apparently, the victims have a right to testify to rebut mitigation. So family members of Travis Alexander can get up there to rebut mitigation and talk about Travis Alexander, the person he was and what their lives are like without him.

But that`s not to be considered in aggravation. It`s only to rebut mitigation.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And then I heard at some point along this process, Jodi Arias herself can get up and make some kind of statement. So we may not have heard the last of her --

KARAS: Yes. Correct.

KARAS: Correct. She can`t testify. Right -- ok. She can`t testify.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But she can make a statement.

KARAS: Lawyers can`t ask her questions. She can make a statement. Yes.

LiveLaughLove wrote:

Arizona might do it this way. Juror instructions come before the closing arguments.

I can't believe the end is here..finally, after 55 days of testimony, countless number of sidebars, finally Jodi will learn her fate. Thank goodness after today, I don't have to listen to Nurmi or Willmott anymore..with the exception of Nurmi doing the closing arguments today..

LiveLaughLove wrote:The TH's are saying since Willmott did the opening, Nurmi should be up to do the closing.

Either way, according to the penalty phase, we aren't done with seeing this duo...

papapi wrote:

Sea Ray wrote:

gpw wrote:I just can't see choosing the knife over the gun if you are trying kill someone and leave with as little evidence as possible behind...just can't see it.

It was a passion killing. Leaving as little evidence as possible wasn't her primary motive. In fact on that basis, she failed bigtime. She should have taken the camera with her

I guess I'm an outlier as far as believing this was a crime of passion. For me, passion involves love, and I don't think Jodi Arias has the capacity for love. Especially if what Dr DeMarte says about borderline personality disorder is true. Jodi loves herself.

So I have never thought she was in a rage when she committed the murder. Maybe a panic quickly after it was done. She wanted to destroy Travis so no one else would have him, a twisted possessiveness and narcissistic attitude. I believe her crime was driven by pure hatred and malice toward her victim because she knew she could never fully possess him, body, mind and loving spirit.

Sea Ray wrote:

papapi wrote:

Sea Ray wrote:

gpw wrote:I just can't see choosing the knife over the gun if you are trying kill someone and leave with as little evidence as possible behind...just can't see it.

It was a passion killing. Leaving as little evidence as possible wasn't her primary motive. In fact on that basis, she failed bigtime. She should have taken the camera with her

I guess I'm an outlier as far as believing this was a crime of passion. For me, passion involves love, and I don't think Jodi Arias has the capacity for love. Especially if what Dr DeMarte says about borderline personality disorder is true. Jodi loves herself.

So I have never thought she was in a rage when she committed the murder. Maybe a panic quickly after it was done. She wanted to destroy Travis so no one else would have him, a twisted possessiveness and narcissistic attitude. I believe her crime was driven by pure hatred and malice toward her victim because she knew she could never fully possess him, body, mind and loving spirit.

I don't think passion is limited to love. You can passionately hate someone or thing. This was a crime of rage and hatred IMO

At first I was leaning towards life in prison but now I'm leaning towards a death penalty after about 10 yrs in prison. I think she's earned that fate and I don't want to see the death penalty carried out very often

Sea Ray wrote:

papapi wrote:

Sea Ray wrote:

gpw wrote:I just can't see choosing the knife over the gun if you are trying kill someone and leave with as little evidence as possible behind...just can't see it.

It was a passion killing. Leaving as little evidence as possible wasn't her primary motive. In fact on that basis, she failed bigtime. She should have taken the camera with her

I guess I'm an outlier as far as believing this was a crime of passion. For me, passion involves love, and I don't think Jodi Arias has the capacity for love. Especially if what Dr DeMarte says about borderline personality disorder is true. Jodi loves herself.

So I have never thought she was in a rage when she committed the murder. Maybe a panic quickly after it was done. She wanted to destroy Travis so no one else would have him, a twisted possessiveness and narcissistic attitude. I believe her crime was driven by pure hatred and malice toward her victim because she knew she could never fully possess him, body, mind and loving spirit.

I don't think passion is limited to love. You can passionately hate someone or thing. This was a crime of rage and hatred IMO

At first I was leaning towards life in prison but now I'm leaning towards a death penalty after about 10 yrs in prison. I think she's earned that fate and I don't want to see the death penalty carried out very often

Sea Ray wrote:I don't think passion is limited to love. You can passionately hate someone or thing. This was a crime of rage and hatred IMO

At first I was leaning towards life in prison but now I'm leaning towards a death penalty after about 10 yrs in prison. I think she's earned that fate and I don't want to see the death penalty carried out very often

gpw wrote:

Sea Ray wrote:

papapi wrote:

Sea Ray wrote:

It was a passion killing. Leaving as little evidence as possible wasn't her primary motive. In fact on that basis, she failed bigtime. She should have taken the camera with her

I guess I'm an outlier as far as believing this was a crime of passion. For me, passion involves love, and I don't think Jodi Arias has the capacity for love. Especially if what Dr DeMarte says about borderline personality disorder is true. Jodi loves herself.

So I have never thought she was in a rage when she committed the murder. Maybe a panic quickly after it was done. She wanted to destroy Travis so no one else would have him, a twisted possessiveness and narcissistic attitude. I believe her crime was driven by pure hatred and malice toward her victim because she knew she could never fully possess him, body, mind and loving spirit.

I don't think passion is limited to love. You can passionately hate someone or thing. This was a crime of rage and hatred IMO

At first I was leaning towards life in prison but now I'm leaning towards a death penalty after about 10 yrs in prison. I think she's earned that fate and I don't want to see the death penalty carried out very often

Should JA's punishment equal that of a serial killer or a child rapist?

gpw wrote:No Mr. Arias in court. Is he that sick? Has he any thoughts about the past when JA was a child?
Can you imagine if he did something to his daughter that would indirectly have her fighting for her life today?
I wouldn't be there either.

gpw wrote:Should JA's punishment equal that of a serial killer or a child rapist?

gpw wrote:Oh no, no Willmott.