Jodi Arias #4

OK folks, so let's hear everyone's opinion on the following:

Once this goes to the jury, how long 'till they come to a verdict? There's a ton of evidence to consider. I'm guessing 1-2 days. I think they'll need at least a day to go over all of it but all things considered, I think it'll be a quick verdict. Not OJ quick (wasn't that like 3 hrs) but quick considering they've got months and months of testimony on their plates including 600 and some exhibits

I don't think it will be a quick verdict. I think they could be out 4 or more days. That's my guess anyway.

Sea Ray, I don't think the jury needs to retry the case in deliberations. They won't need to revisit every piece of evidence and testimony. If there's a good foreman a vote will be called for in short order after highlighting and discussing anything where a juror raises doubt.

I'm guessing a verdict on the second day.

lol.....on HLN......"Nurmi is playing checkers...Juan is playing a strategic game of chess. Juan is holding his fist up and Nurmi is running into it."

Too freaking funny

papapi wrote:Sea Ray, I don't think the jury needs to retry the case in deliberations. They won't need to revisit every piece of evidence and testimony. If there's a good foreman a vote will be called for in short order after highlighting and discussing anything where a juror raises doubt.

I'm guessing a verdict on the second day.

I agree. We're on the same page. We're both saying verdict on day 2. If this trial was a few weeks like most, I think they'd be out in a day but since it was so drawn out I think they will have to deliberate for over a day

OK, now that Juan has completed his closing argument speech, how do you think he did? I thought he did great. It was captivating, on point and clever. He didn't pull any punches and called a spade a spade. Calling Jodi a liar was to be expected. I did think that his calling Ms Alyce a liar was unexpected and was bold on his part. My guess is that juror questions gave him the space he needed to do that. I think he feels comfortable that most of the jurors agree with him on Alyce so he felt comfortable going there. I'm not so sure we'd have seen him define her in such terms if not for Arizona's system of juror questions.

Juan clearly explained how it was premeditated and I like how he said even if you believe Jodi's version of grabbing Travis' gun, it was still premeditated murder and it's an additional felony to steal someone else's gun and use it. I thought that was quite clever on his part.

Now I don't underestimate Jodi's team. They will score points tomorrow so Juan's job is not yet done. He will need to take advantage of getting the last at bat here in this one. I think Willmott is very sharp and Jodi's lucky to have her on her team. I don't know if she'll say anything tomorrow but she'll certainly be crafting their defense tonight.

I didn't watch all of JM's speech. Did he mention anything about the lunacy of a psychologist attempting to over rule a Medical Examiner when it comes to interpreting an autopsy?

CuriousPortlander wrote:Bringing up those CDs that she was bringing with her to show Travis was brilliant! I hadn't made that connection until he said that. He's really connecting all the dots!

CP, that was a huge point in favor for the Prosecution. I had never thought of that either. It was genius IMO! That statement alone would have sealed the deal for me on premeditation if I were a juror.

I apologize but I missed the part about the CDs. Can you briefly tell me what that was all about? Thanks

She said she took the CD's to show Travis their vacation photos, yet she also said she had no plans to go to AZ.

@ angiefly2, Thank you for posting the videos. I admit, I zoned out in part three today, so I really appreciate being able to catch up here. Thanks again!

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CuriousPortlander wrote:Bringing up those CDs that she was bringing with her to show Travis was brilliant! I hadn't made that connection until he said that. He's really connecting all the dots!

CP, that was a huge point in favor for the Prosecution. I had never thought of that either. It was genius IMO! That statement alone would have sealed the deal for me on premeditation if I were a juror.

That caught me by surprise, too.

How masterful of Mr. Martinez to tie in another point of premeditation in his closing.

I thought he rocked every single day of this trial, but especially so today.

This was the very best part. Jodi Arias, by her own admission, carried away from the murder scene "Travis'" gun and disposed of it in the desert. By her own admission she committed burglary, a felony. By her own admission she also killed Travis during the commission of this felony. That's felony murder in the first degree, same as premeditated first degree murder. Jodi Arias has been checkmated with her own lies.

papapi wrote:@ angiefly2, Thank you for posting the videos. I admit, I zoned out in part three today, so I really appreciate being able to catch up here. Thanks again!

You are very welcome :)
If you are ever wanting to see any other trial videos I also post them in the Jodi Arias library.

papapi wrote:This was the very best part. Jodi Arias, by her own admission, carried away from the murder scene "Travis'" gun and disposed of it in the desert. By her own admission she committed burglary, a felony. By her own admission she also killed Travis during the commission of this felony. That's felony murder in the first degree, same as premeditated first degree murder. Jodi Arias has been checkmated with her own lies.

(BBM) Well said, Papapi! I'll bet Stabby Einstein doesn't feel so smart tonight!

Sea Ray wrote:OK folks, so let's hear everyone's opinion on the following:

Once this goes to the jury, how long 'till they come to a verdict? There's a ton of evidence to consider. I'm guessing 1-2 days. I think they'll need at least a day to go over all of it but all things considered, I think it'll be a quick verdict. Not OJ quick (wasn't that like 3 hrs) but quick considering they've got months and months of testimony on their plates including 600 and some exhibits

Maybe this is just wishful thinking, but I think the jury will come back on day 1 with a verdict; day 2 at the latest. I think most, if not all of the jurors, made up their minds a while back, and I don't think they'll have much to review. As Papapi wrote above, she's already guilty of felony murder by her own words, and I think Martinez did an excellent job of showing the chronological proof of premeditation, so, in my mind, she's guilty of Murder 1, either way.

Mr. Martinez Cooks a Hell of a Goose

-W.O.W., Arizona

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Juan “The Prosecutor” Martinez ruled the Maricopa Courthouse Grill today. And it was good. The aroma of roasting demon goose wafted from the courthouse and soon encircled the whole globe like a cleansing incense. Juan may as well have been wearing a chef’s hat and apron that said “Kiss ‘The Prosecutor,’” because his squeeing groupies outside will go absolutely crazy after hearing his closing argument.

The master chef don’t need no stinkin’ recipe. He must have a photographic memory, because he stood spinning Jodi on the rotisserie for about seven hours without referring to a single note.
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angiefly2 wrote:

papapi wrote:@ angiefly2, Thank you for posting the videos. I admit, I zoned out in part three today, so I really appreciate being able to catch up here. Thanks again!

You are very welcome :)
If you are ever wanting to see any other trial videos I also post them in the Jodi Arias library.

--i'd also like to thank you "angie lady!"-----I've missed a lot in "real" time over the course of this trial and have appreciated your videos immensely!

CuriousPortlander wrote:Mr. Martinez Cooks a Hell of a Goose

-W.O.W., Arizona
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--that's awesome CP thanks for posting that one!

--as was said in chat numerous times today----and he did it all from memory!

(take that stabby!!!---HIS memory rules yours!)

--I also saw a clip w/ beth karass today---while working the arias murder, juan has also prosecuted/ been prosecuting TWELVE other cases.

CuriousPortlander wrote:

Maybe this is just wishful thinking, but I think the jury will come back on day 1 with a verdict; day 2 at the latest. I think most, if not all of the jurors, made up their minds a while back, and I don't think they'll have much to review. As Papapi wrote above, she's already guilty of felony murder by her own words, and I think Martinez did an excellent job of showing the chronological proof of premeditation, so, in my mind, she's guilty of Murder 1, either way.

--agree. I said so earlier today, I don't expect a lengthy "verdict watch".

--yes, there was a lot of testimony/exhibits, but, the jury doesn't need to re-do the entire thing all over again. based on their juror Q's, they appear to have a good grasp of what's transpired in court.

--if they're given the case early in the day-----back w/ M1 on day one. if it's "late" in the day (after the 90 minute lunch "hour") ---they'll be ready on day 1, but will sleep/pray on it overnight---M1 early on day two.

Thank you Angie for the videos. They come in so handy to watch when I can.

angiefly2 wrote:Jodi Arias Trial Day 55 Closing Arguments

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--just catching the parts I missed today.

--juan was so perfect w/ just the right mix of everything-----including a little humour.

--example, he's talking about stabby's Washington mutual bank records.....shows the print out on screen...says she lied ....followed by:

juan--" unless of course, Washington mutual made this up?...maybe Washington mutual also subscribes to the law of attraction, and they don't want to put anything negative in here."

Who ever writes eggtreenews should get the award of the century...very funny stuff.

Enjoy this one while you got it super Juan, you will never prosecute another defendent that admits killing someone and takes pictures of it to prove it again. Cake walk.

Nan11 wrote:

angiefly2 wrote:

CuriousPortlander wrote:Bringing up those CDs that she was bringing with her to show Travis was brilliant! I hadn't made that connection until he said that. He's really connecting all the dots!

CP, that was a huge point in favor for the Prosecution. I had never thought of that either. It was genius IMO! That statement alone would have sealed the deal for me on premeditation if I were a juror.

That caught me by surprise, too.

How masterful of Mr. Martinez to tie in another point of premeditation in his closing.

I thought he rocked every single day of this trial, but especially so today.

papapi wrote:This was the very best part. Jodi Arias, by her own admission, carried away from the murder scene "Travis'" gun and disposed of it in the desert. By her own admission she committed burglary, a felony. By her own admission she also killed Travis during the commission of this felony. That's felony murder in the first degree, same as premeditated first degree murder. Jodi Arias has been checkmated with her own lies.

Juan was masterful, with no notes...

I think he did great. Also I see he checkmated the defense by using her own untruthful defense against her. Either way, she's due a murder 1 conviction.

I also took note of the eye rolls and facial distain from Jodi and Willmott. My only hope is that the jurors saw it too.

I too think the jurors will come back relatively quick with a verdict of murder 1..I say by Wednesday, since they won't start deliberations until Monday, since they get the case today, after Juan does the rebuttal closing. I might just skip Nurmi's boring closing..

Just to be accurate, Juan did refer to his notes once or twice. I remember seeing him go to his desk and pick up his legal pad and flip through it while giving his closing speech.

Let's see what the defense comes up with today. I imagine they'll pound home the abuse and PTSD and then we'll have Juan up once more to remind everyone that there's evidence to support such accusations